"Let Babylon Burn" Bonus Episode

The episode "Let Babylon Burn" presents a compelling critique of the rise of AI in the music industry, particularly within the reggae genre that has long been a bastion of human storytelling and cultural expression. Henry K and Sia engage listeners by illustrating the contrast between the soulful, lived experiences of reggae artists and the algorithmically generated music. The episode unpacks the implications of such technology as Henry reflects on the historical journey of reggae, celebrating its origins while lamenting the potential loss of its authenticity in the face of algorithmic creations. Sia contributes her insights on the cultural significance of reggae and its representation of Jamaican identity. Ultimately, the hosts call for a renewed commitment to support real artists who carry the weight of their experiences in their music, emphasizing that while technology can simulate sound, it cannot convey the essence of the human condition.
Produced by Henry K in association with Voice Boxx Studios Kingston, Jamaica
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The prize Righteousness govern the world.
Speaker AThe Roots Land podcast.
Speaker BStories that are music to your ears.
Speaker CWhen you see what lies ahead, you'll be happy that you did.
Speaker CI'll be used to camera.
Speaker CThrough camera.
Speaker CTo Solitaire Road.
Speaker CTo Roots Land.
Speaker CTo Roots Land.
Speaker CSolitary road.
Speaker AYes.
Speaker ARoots Land.
Speaker AIt's a solitary road.
Speaker AAs the man sings.
Speaker BIs that our theme song now?
Speaker BI like it.
Speaker BI like it.
Speaker AYes.
Speaker AIn a way, this is a theme song.
Speaker ACorrect.
Speaker AAnd we will get to that in this episode.
Speaker AIn fact, this is a very musical episode.
Speaker AYou can't feel the studio walls dripping with music.
Speaker BYeah, I can.
Speaker AI hope you're not being sarcastic.
Speaker BNo, not at all.
Speaker BNo, man, I love it.
Speaker BI love it.
Speaker BYep, I can feel it.
Speaker BYou see me grooving and moving.
Speaker ANo, I can see you are rocking.
Speaker AIt's a good thing this isn't a video podcast yet.
Speaker ASo, as you know, this show has always been about music at its core.
Speaker AThis is an homage to reggae, to its founding fathers, to the mentors who guided me through my years in the music business.
Speaker ATheir ingenuity, their determination, the miraculous path that reggae took.
Speaker AFrom the gullies and trenches of Kingston to the palaces and the castles of the world, it's gone everywhere.
Speaker AAnd let me ask you, Sia, as a Jamaican woman who's traveled the world, you're pretty worldly.
Speaker AWhen people meet you, what's the first thing they ask?
Speaker BThey ask me where I'm from.
Speaker AAnd when they find out you're Jamaican.
Speaker BThey always bring up reggae and that we're beautiful.
Speaker BThe most beautiful women come from Jamaica.
Speaker AWell, that is true.
Speaker BAnd they always bring up Bob Marley.
Speaker BYou know Bob Marley?
Speaker BOf course I know Bob Marley.
Speaker BWho doesn't?
Speaker AOf course.
Speaker AReggae Bob Marley.
Speaker AThat is Jamaica's identity.
Speaker AAnd by the way, happy Independence Day, Jamaica.
Speaker ARight, Sia?
Speaker BHappy Independence day, my people.
Speaker A1962 On August 6, their quote, Independence from England and getting back to reggae.
Speaker AAs you know, I'm someone who's always interested in what's going on in the industry.
Speaker AThe other day, I was perusing the top 100 reggae downloads in itunes, and I came across a band I never heard of, which is always interesting, and they're called Let Babylon Burn.
Speaker AIntriguing, right?
Speaker ASounds like it could be an episode of our podcast, especially the season.
Speaker ARight, Sia?
Speaker BYeah, that does sound like a ruslan kind of vibe.
Speaker ABefore I say anything, I just would like you to hear the track.
Speaker AAs someone who listens to reggae music, grew up around reggae, I know you're not a connoisseur, but you're certainly someone who knows dancehole and reggae.
Speaker BAbsolutely.
Speaker BAbsolutely.
Speaker AI'd really like to get your feedback.
Speaker AI'd to like interested.
Speaker ASo before I say anything, I'm going to play this for you at the same time as everybody else is going to hear it and then we'll come back and get your reaction.
Speaker AAll right, here's Let Babylon Burn, a song called so Hollow.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker CDid I let you down?
Speaker CDid I bring your pain?
Speaker CShould I carry guilt or let the silence rain?
Speaker CCause I saw the storm for the skies went gray.
Speaker CYes, I knew you'd stumble and I walked away.
Speaker CSo I took what's mine by the stars above Took your soul into the night with love.
Speaker CIt might be done but it don't end there.
Speaker CI'm still right here if you ever care.
Speaker CYou touch me hard.
Speaker AYou touch me.
Speaker BSo nice song.
Speaker BNice.
Speaker BFeel good.
Speaker BHonestly love the song.
Speaker BLove, love, love.
Speaker BI was feeling it.
Speaker BAs a matter of fact, I'm gonna listen to it a few more times today.
Speaker AWow, that is quite the ringing endorsement, isn't it?
Speaker AYou really liked it?
Speaker AWell, let me read you the description and let me see if that changes your opinion.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker ALet Babylon Burn is an independent indie, reggae and acoustic music project blending self written lyrics, creative direction and a fusion of human production, live recording and AI tools to craft emotionally rich music and storytelling.
Speaker AEvery track is uniquely written, curated and visually themed to match the song's soul.
Speaker AThis is human driven art, thoughtfully created, not automated spam or slop.
Speaker AYou understand?
Speaker ASia, in other words, you were just listening to artificial intelligence.
Speaker BOh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker BI understand.
Speaker AThat wasn't real.
Speaker BI know.
Speaker AWell, it was real, but it wasn't an actual human being singing it.
Speaker BI know that's what you're saying.
Speaker BThat's what I understand the first part, but then I thought that we may be thinking that, but someone was actually singing it.
Speaker AWell, not someone.
Speaker ASomething.
Speaker AAn algorithm.
Speaker BOh, wow.
Speaker BThat's pretty fucking amazing.
Speaker BNo.
Speaker AAnd what do you think, knowing that now that that was created by some algorithm, someone who prompted to create a beautiful, emotionally moving reggae song, does that change your opinion?
Speaker BNo.
Speaker BHonestly, it doesn't.
Speaker ANo.
Speaker AHuh?
Speaker BIt doesn't.
Speaker ANot at all.
Speaker BI still have the feelings I felt listening to that song.
Speaker AReally?
Speaker BAnd if I play it over and over again, I'm still gonna have that feeling?
Speaker AAnd what does that say about reggae and its future for Jamaican artists?
Speaker BThat they're in jeopardy.
Speaker BReally?
Speaker BBecause AI can do what they're doing.
Speaker BI'm being honest.
Speaker BBut don't put that out there.
Speaker BWhat do you think?
Speaker AWhat I think doesn't matter because you more reflect what everybody else thinks.
Speaker BI say I didn't even know though.
Speaker BI thought it was a person.
Speaker AYes, it does sound real.
Speaker AIt's a composite of many voices, thousands of singers who have put their heart and souls into the music.
Speaker AAnd by the way, our new Roots Land theme song that you were rockin and grooving to earlier.
Speaker AI used AI to make that song.
Speaker ATook me about five minutes.
Speaker AI just typed in my own verse and chorus and boom, it was done.
Speaker AThey gave me three different versions.
Speaker BWow.
Speaker BAI's taken over.
Speaker AAnd on another note, no pun intended.
Speaker AWhat if you found out that song was made in a bot farm somewhere in Eastern Europe or in Malaysia and the person making the music was just child labor getting paid nothing.
Speaker AWho knew nothing about reggae?
Speaker AJust writing code and following prompts, putting out hundreds of songs each day, every genre.
Speaker AWould that affect how you felt about the music?
Speaker BOf course it matters.
Speaker BI mean, I'm not going to take away from the fact that a song is a good song, you know, it has a vibes.
Speaker BBut if I was to know stuff like that, no, I wouldn't support it.
Speaker BOnce you know what's going on and you still support it, that really shows your character.
Speaker ABut you can never really know.
Speaker BThere's still one thing that AI can't do.
Speaker BThey can't capture a live audience.
Speaker BThey can never capture a live audience.
Speaker AWell, that's very insightful, Siya.
Speaker AAnd that is really where the episode begins.
Speaker ABecause we still need to produce artists and singers that can capture a crowd.
Speaker AAnd even before Artificial Intelligence, Jamaica wasn't doing its job well.
Speaker AJamaica, it's time to wake up.
Speaker AYour under supported roots reggae artists aren't just competing with Afrobeat or Caliroots for airtime and streams anymore.
Speaker AThere's a new predator stalking the digital landscape.
Speaker AAnd it doesn't need sleep, doesn't demand royalties, and doesn't carry the weight of authenticity in its artificial soul.
Speaker AMeet Let Babylon Burn, a phantom reggae act that has generated over 3 million YouTube views.
Speaker ATheir channel boasts 50,000 subscribers and it's growing daily with a catalog of full length songs and slickly edited promotional shorts.
Speaker ABut here's what's missing from their meteoric rise.
Speaker AAny singer credits, any production notes, any human fingerprints at all.
Speaker AJust the kind of vague algorithmic poetry we've learned to recognize from AI generated content.
Speaker ATake their description for the track, so Hollow.
Speaker AAptly named, this unplugged performance captures the raw vulnerability of heartbreak.
Speaker ANo production tricks, just truth.
Speaker ANylon guitar, soft background strings, and A soul laid bare for late nights, broken hearts and quiet healing.
Speaker AThen it dissolves into merchandise hawking Let Babylon Burn Official merch Rep the cause with every step.
Speaker ASip Babylon's Downfall from your favorite mug.
Speaker AYou cannot make up this stuff.
Speaker AI mean, what does Babylon's Downfall actually taste like?
Speaker AMocha?
Speaker AMaybe chai?
Speaker AThis cheesy wordplay isn't limited to their self promotion.
Speaker AIn their quest for millions of views, likes and algorithmic favor, they've deployed what appears to be an army of chatbots disguised as devoted fans.
Speaker AThe comment section reads like love letters written to a ghost.
Speaker AOne commenter gushes, this isn't just a song, it's a soul translating voice.
Speaker AThere are some songs you listen to and other songs you live.
Speaker AAnd that's exactly what this song is about.
Speaker AReally?
Speaker ASo hollow is a song you live?
Speaker AI mean, here are some of the lyrics.
Speaker AI kissed your lips, I held your face, Shared your bed me sacred place I know your love, I know your sigh I've been whole and I won't lie, I don't even know what that means.
Speaker AI held your face.
Speaker AThat sounds more like abuse than tenderness.
Speaker AI doubt those behind the sham even speak English.
Speaker AAnd yet.
Speaker AStill another comment.
Speaker AVoice your presence.
Speaker AYou don't just sing this song.
Speaker AYou have become a heaven blessed conduit for the emotions contained in the lyrics, its melody, its message, its yearning power.
Speaker AA rare gift you have to hear, understand and through music, communicate such truth to us all.
Speaker AAnd Let Babylon Burn responds with algorithmic warmth.
Speaker AYour words feel like they were written from the same soul that the song came from.
Speaker AIf something true flowed through me, it's only because listeners like you are open enough to receive it.
Speaker AThank you for meeting it with such depth.
Speaker AOh, I can promise you one thing.
Speaker AThose words definitely came from the same soul that the song came from.
Speaker AAn imaginary soul that doesn't exist.
Speaker AThese people, some of them bots and other real humans, are writing heartfelt comments from the depth of their soul to a singer they believe is real.
Speaker ALike children carefully composing letters to Santa Claus, conveying their inner wants and dreams.
Speaker AWhat's worse, their videos feature an AI generated image of a generic looking Rastafarian holding an acoustic guitar and standing at a microphone, they don't even attempt to sync his lips to the music or create the illusion that he's actually singing.
Speaker AYet millions of viewers hardly notice, so moved are they by artificial emotion.
Speaker AAnd the bitter irony is, if this human inspired AI project wasn't outperforming every top reggae dancehole and caliroot singer on YouTube.
Speaker AIt would be a bad joke.
Speaker AA parody on the old sitcom In Living Color, with Jim Carrey playing a lead singer wearing a dyed mop as dreadlocks and faking a Jamaican accent.
Speaker AIf you've been following Roots Land, you don't have to dig deep to understand how an imaginary group with songs written and produced in an AI app could become the most popular reggae act in the world.
Speaker AThis season, Wanted Dreader Alive seems to have come full circle in real time, as we can trace the connection between a state sponsored killing of Peter Tosh, a man who fought with every fiber of his being to keep reggae music authentic, conscious, militant, to where we stand today, 40 years after his assassination, watching a nameless, faceless, generic reggae construct dominate the very culture he died defending.
Speaker AAnd I know there are people out there who will argue, like my co host Sia, that Sohollow is actually a decent song minus the awful Jamaican accent and manufactured emotion, and that if it somehow brings people into the reggae fold, widens the genre's umbrella, it's good for Jamaica and reggae.
Speaker ABut is it really?
Speaker AWe heard those same arguments when Cali roots music and modern progressive reggae began their ascent.
Speaker ABut in the end, the success of these American acts squeezed out authentic Jamaican talent from festivals, tours and record labels, leaving space for one or two token acts.
Speaker AAnd sure, business is business.
Speaker AIt's more economical to book US Bans due to travel costs and visa complications.
Speaker ABut what happens when people become conditioned to songs without singers, when you don't even have to pay an artist, you can just hire a Rasta impostor to just stand on stage and dance, or deploy a robot with a dreadlock wig to play the part.
Speaker AAnd I realize if you're watching the scoreboard, it looks like Babylon's winning 3 million views don't lie.
Speaker AAnd the algorithm rewards engagement regardless of its source.
Speaker ABut humanity is the home team here, and there's still time left on the clock.
Speaker APeter Tosh sang about being a mystic man, about seeing through the matrix of control that keeps people distracted while power consolidates.
Speaker AHe understood that authentic culture is dangerous to systems built on manipulation because it connects people to something real, something that can't be manufactured or controlled.
Speaker ANow we're witnessing the final phase of that control, the complete artificial reproduction of rebellion itself, packaged and distributed by the very forces reggae music was meant to resist.
Speaker AWhen algorithms can generate the sound of struggle without the experience of struggle, when machines can mimic the language of spiritual resistance without the spirit, when artificial intelligence can counterfeit the very essence of human authenticity, what happens to the real voices still crying in the wilderness.
Speaker ANow, I've already discussed the benefits of AI when talking about my partnership with Replit, a company that, besides wanting to make money, sees the importance of democratizing the Internet, allowing people from all walks of life to build the app of their dreams with no coding experience.
Speaker ABut this same technology also lets someone with no musical experience, no understanding of reggae's rich cultural identity or forefathers, no production skills to become one of the most popular reggae acts on YouTube.
Speaker AWe all imagine this AI takeover will be something from the movies, like I Robot or Terminator, where superpowered robots and machines gain consciousness, turn on their human creators, overwhelming us with sheer numbers and intellectual superiority, while a ragtag group of human rebels fight to maintain the last bastions of humanity.
Speaker AI don't think the plot will be that obvious.
Speaker ARemember, AI has seen those movies.
Speaker ANo, if the takeover by machines from humanity is like any film, it would be Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
Speaker AAnd I'm talking the Donald Sutherland version.
Speaker AA real masterpiece.
Speaker AIt's a slow, silent takeover, one person at a time.
Speaker AReplacement that happens in the dark of the night when the world is asleep.
Speaker ANo one really knows who is who or what is what.
Speaker ANo one knows who to trust.
Speaker AWe start to turn on each other.
Speaker AWe lose our fight to the machines in small battles, one singer at a time, one song at a time, one podcast at a time.
Speaker ARight now, there are musicians, artists and singers who are in the struggle, been in the business for years, and are just holding on.
Speaker AWhen they see a project like Let Babylon Burn achieving this level of success without having to do the legwork, it's gonna be the final straw that causes them to quit.
Speaker APack it in.
Speaker AAnd it's not because they don't have drive or fortitude.
Speaker AIt's because they don't get support.
Speaker ASupport from their fans.
Speaker AAnd sometimes that's all it takes.
Speaker AOne of my favorite podcasts is diary of a CEO hosted by Steve Bartlett, and I believe he's second behind Joe Rogan as far as podcasters on YouTube.
Speaker AThe host is a thoughtful and generous interviewer who makes guests feel comfortable, and he goes out of his way to make sure his listeners get the very best quality interviews and the most relevant information about current topics yet.
Speaker AEvery episode, Steve begins with the same plea to his viewers.
Speaker DThis has always blown my mind a little bit.
Speaker D53% of you that listen to this show regularly haven't yet subscribed to the show, so could I ask you for a favor before we if you like the show and you like what we do here and you want to support us, the free, simple way that you can do just that is by hitting the subscribe button.
Speaker DAnd my commitment to you is if you do that, then I'll do everything in my power, me and my team, to make sure that this show is better for you every single week.
Speaker DWe'll listen to your feedback, we'll find the guest that you want me to speak to, and we'll continue to do what we do.
Speaker DThank you so much.
Speaker AHe mentioned that over 50% of his audience listens but doesn't subscribe.
Speaker AThat's hundreds of thousands of listeners each week who listen, enjoy and absorb his hard work for free and can't even take a few seconds to subscribe or like his video.
Speaker AHe's very diplomatic in his pleas, mentioning how the more subscribers and comments he gets actually helps the quality and content of the show, which is true.
Speaker ABut what he doesn't mention is that it also feels good getting a like or a subscriber or a positive comment.
Speaker AIt's like a hug or a pat on the back for a job well done.
Speaker AI'm sure it upsets him that half his audience doesn't bother to do so when it takes so very little a click on the keyboard.
Speaker AAnd his show has 11 million subscribers and earns tens of millions in revenue.
Speaker AJust imagine how tough it is for the struggling ghetto singer or rapper or creator who just spent their last time to go into the studio or to hire a cameraman or editor to produce a song they know is a hit.
Speaker AA song composed from the heart, telling a story unique to their life that no one else can tell.
Speaker AThey begged, borrowed and stole just to make it happen.
Speaker AThey just need a little break, a way for their song or video to break through all the digital noise.
Speaker AAnd if things weren't hard enough for them already, throw artificial intelligence into the mix.
Speaker AIt creates music designed for the algorithm, like some kind of sonic clickbait.
Speaker AIt knows just what the crowd wants and how to deliver it.
Speaker AIt uses keywords instead of lyrics, hires chatbots for comments.
Speaker AIn this digital domain, how do mere mortals compete with artificial superintelligence?
Speaker AThe answer is, we don't.
Speaker AWe can't compete in their digital domain.
Speaker ABut the truth is, they can't compete in our world, the real world, the offline world where breath still fogs glass, where calloused fingers actually press guitar strings.
Speaker AAnd that's our advantage.
Speaker AAs powerful as artificial intelligence is, it cannot hold a candle to real human connection.
Speaker AAll the nuclear powered data centers in the world are nothing compared to love and hope and empathy.
Speaker AThat's where true power lies.
Speaker ANow, I want you to imagine that struggling artist, the one who spent their last dollar on studio time somewhere in Kingston or Cali or Brooklyn or Bali.
Speaker AThey're sitting with their acoustic guitar, working out a melody that comes from a place that no algorithm will ever visit.
Speaker AThe intersection of word, sound and power.
Speaker ATheir voice cracks not because of poor production, but because they're singing something that's real, something that marks their soul in a way that creates beauty.
Speaker AThis is where resistance begins.
Speaker ANot in the comment sections where bots battle for supremacy, but in small venues where human beings gather to witness something that can't be manufactured.
Speaker AAuthentic human expression.
Speaker AOn ghetto street corners, where young poets test their bars against real ears, in churches, in mosques and synagogues, where congregations, communities, families connect.
Speaker AThese are the places where you and I need to make our stand for humanity.
Speaker ASupporting young artists, giving them strength and encouragement.
Speaker AThe next generation needs to know that machines can study our patterns, mimic our cadences, even reproduce our spiritual language.
Speaker ABut they can't drip sweat and blood on a microphone.
Speaker AThey can't carry the weight of three generations of poverty in their voice or hope that a hit song might break that cycle.
Speaker AThey will never know the heartbreak of watching a friend choose the streets or drugs over the studio.
Speaker AAI can generate the sound of struggle, but they've never had their lights cut off the night before a big session.
Speaker AThey can simulate the language of redemption, but they've never been in a jail cell praying for one more chance to get their life right.
Speaker AThe real world remains ours because it's the only place where authenticity isn't just content, it's survival.
Speaker CThere's a place that's in the past, and we need to get there fast.
Speaker CPat your backs and fear your mind Everything else can stay behind when you see what lies ahead you'll be happy that you did I'll be used to camera through camera through Slam Solitaire.
Speaker ATo.
Speaker CRoots Land Solitaire Road to Roots and to Roots Land Solitaire Road to Roots End Moods Land Solitaire Road to Mooseland to Moods Land Road to Roots and.
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